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A Look Back at Heroes of Healthcare in 2021

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

It’s been an eventful year in healthcare and at the Heroes of Healthcare podcast.

In this episode, the hosts of the show, Ted Weyn, Executive Vice President of Systems Innovation, Marketing & Strategy, and Olivia D’Angelo , Division Vice President of Neurology, both with Jackson & Coker, take a look back at the year that was.

They discuss:

  • Their favorite episodes from 2021
  • The themes that continued to pop up throughout the year
  • New episodes coming out next year

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The team at Heroes of Healthcare wishes you a happy and healthy holiday season. We’ll see you in 2022!

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Healthcare heroes or people just like usand not recognized enough. I mean that was really, I think, whywe started the show, as we realize that you're listening to heroes of healthcare, the podcast that highlights bold, selfless professionals in the healthcare industry focused ontransforming lives in their communities. Let's get into the show. Welcome to theheroes of healthcare. I'm your host, Ted Wayne, and I'm Olivia d'Angela, and welcome to our end of the year podcast episode that we thoughtwe would do a little retrospective. It's been our first year and we've beenvery excited about everything that has come along and the numbers of people who arefollowing and just the information we've been bringing to our loyal listeners and hopefully lotsof new listeners in the upcoming two thousand and twenty two year. Hard tobelieve we're saying that, but twenty two, thousand and twenty two. So wethought we would just go through and just talk a little bit about someof our favorite episodes and what we saw this year, what we learned inthe world of healthcare, and then we can start to create a little hypeover next year because we've got some fun people coming to see us. Iam excited and it is so hard to believe that it's been an entire yearof the heroes of healthcare podcast. I had the chance to join several monthsback and it's been so much fun for me, and now we are comingto everyone from our brand new studio. So that's really amazing. Feeling verylegitimate here. It's it really does. I know it's really ended the yearon a high note and going into two thousand and twenty two with some excitemeant yes, for sure. So I know that we've done a little bitand thanks to our we have awesome production people who help us every week makethis happen and they did a great job of helping us pull some of thedata together. So, as you think back over your time and when youkick this off, what was your what's the first one that hits you?It's that you did that was your favorite. Now I think my very first oneis one that really sticks out in my mind. I had an excellentguest, Dr David Priest. He's the SVP of safety, quality and epidemiologyat no vant help and he talked with...

...us about Covid as well as allthe way to Loahloa and just the fight against infectious diseases. One of myfavorite quotes of his is how he talked about how infectious diseases are still thecoolest field of medicine and I thought that was really fun. But the entiretime I talked to him he was really insightful and talked about just some ofthe terrible things about infectious diseases and gave a lot of lessons learned. Soall the more reason we have to learn lessons from what we're just endured andwe're going to keep this from happening again, and part of it is we needto continue and invest in our public health programs. Yeah, no,it's great insight. I actually think he's somebody we probably need to have onmore regularly again because of his background and with everything that's going on in theworld. So I think that's did that was. That was a favor ofmine. It's hard to pick favorites, I think for myself, one ofthe first ones that really jumped out my mind was when we had Richard Johnson, president of advocate in Aurora health south side of Chicago, on and justhis transparency and is talking about how the pandemic was difficult and such a toughurban setting to begin with. You know, I love that he was very vulnerable. He talked about it. He talked about the impact of George Floyd'simpact on the hospital and really why underserved and black communities are a greater riskof succumbing to covid nineteen, you know, and he really I loved that hedid things about talking about all the different levels that he could learn things. There are things that you can learn at all levels and in all situations, but that helped shape you and you can apply them if you're women tobe flexible and willing to listener, and that you know. Also, hetalked about how he we're in healthcare, he can really make a difference inthe ability to change people's lives. So I'd say that's why Richard Johnson wasone of the my favs. His vulnerability...

...was special and I appreciated how muchhe opened up to you. That was a great one. Yeah, whenyou take on the pandemic and Covid this unconsidable disease there we havoc across theworld, and you place that on places like the south sage to Corgo,where historically has been a lack of access, lack of investments and education, infrastructure, food, deserts, I mean you name it. You lack ofjobs, right, and good paid employment, because, as you know, employmentleads, the better housing opportunities leaves, the food leaves, the better healthcare least, the bet education it all those things are our intertwine.They're they're not mutually exclusive. All right. So covid Shit light on what we'veknown all a while. It not only shed light, it was aspotlight like this creates the disproportionate death rates that we're seeing in persons of colorsand minorities, you know, black and Brown people, blacks, Hispanics,you know. You know this creates that. The other ones, I think earlyon for me and Pink Punk, back to you with just Mount Sinaiyou know it. Dr KNAPP and we had Brendan car who were both soinstrumental in dealing with New York City, who was obviously arguably hit one ofthe hardest out of any one of the urban areas, and just all thethings they did. and Dr Knapp also talked about how the George Floyd situationcompounded the stress put on the staff. It's funny how one of the reoccurringthemes as we talked to people throughout the year that that was something that Iwouldn't have thought of in the midst of dealing with the you know, medicalstaff, dealing with the covid and everything,...

...but that the you know, thethe unrest socially was just a piece where they just said it just putan additional pressure on them, you know, and I know he even reference backto Joplin, Missouri and how that was just a prep way to beprepared for disaster. It comes down again, if you're of a certain mindset thatthis is not a big deal and that stuff happens and if you getit, you get it, and you're not going to take away my civilliberties and I'm not going to get a vaccine and I'm not going to weara mask, then the consequence, I think, is really in this againum healthcare worker. The consequence is that our healthcare infrastructure can't handle that,we're not built to manage taking care of, you know, additional thousands of patients. And the other piece was, I'm just going back to Brendan carI just I mean the guy set up a hospital in Central Park, youknow, and just the logistics and all of the things that had to comewith that was just amazing to me and how they had an ability to setthat whole thing up in the park and the tents and working with Samaritan's purse. And I loved what he said about how the city, working with NewYork City. They were making decisions and record time, where in the pastthat was something that they just couldn't would have taken, I think what hesaid, he would have taken a year to get a know and in weeksthey were getting things with water turned on and electricity to the park and allof that. It was it was pretty fascinating and how they did that isthat's wild. The website has all the episodes as well. You can reachthat at heroes of healthcare podcastcom. It's a whole big long well, wholebig long you rl, but that'll get you there as well. Absolutely.So, what about you? Well, I think that a Segue to whenyou talked about Dr Knapp. He came back again and he provided insight alongwith a panel of other healthcare providers, and one of the coolest episodes.I think we've done it also required a...

...ton of different logistic things behind thescenes. I try to play people on a podcast at one time. Thatone was wild, but I really love that we were able to pull thatoff and it it was so well done. That was episode twenty three and weactually had to do it in two parts. But Ted, I lovedhow that came together and for those of you who didn't have a chance tolisten to it, we got to talk to our Ted specifically, was ableto interview a panel of different doctors and from the moment of patient comes intothe hospital and it's determined that they have covid to when they leave, wetalked to every single different doctor and went through that life cycle and I reallythought that that was so interesting because I think we hear stories from the outside, but this really gave us an inside glimpse into it. Yeah, doyou think about that one? No, I agree. and Dr Aur SirEllie was unbelievable because he was the head of the ICEEU and you know,I don't know that there's any easy jobs in this cycle, but I thinkwhen you're in the ICEE you and you're in debating and he's telling US statisticslike two out of three people are in debated are not going to survive orare going to have long term medical effects. I mean the impact of that isreal and I think that that's and his passion around the vaccination. Andyou know, I think for the first time what I saw this was obviouslythis was after Delta had come out, and I think what we saw therewas a different level of frustration and the physicians. I think early on,when we talk to some of the physicians, they were feeling passion and come passionaround the unfortunate situation that the patients were in. And with Dr Sarelli, I think you've felt a bit of didn't lose that compassion. He actuallycame out and said I don't want anybody who didn't I don't want anybody tobe here, and so that there was a sentiment going out in the mediathat the doctors were a little bit misrepresented...

...in that regard. But he said, but I'm frustrated because it could have been avoided. And he said whenI was handing people ipads to potentially say goodbye to their families the first waveof covid he said it broke my heart there and he said in the secondtime though there was a level of frustration because he felt had they've been vaccinated, they could have been avoided. So I think that that I think forme, that was one of the that was one of the big pieces thatreally struck out and you could hear in his voice his passion about it.Dr Cats, Randy cats, who is in the emergency room, talked abouthow they try to quickly Triaj and assess them so they can get them eithertoo into the hospitalist area or right up to the ICEEU, depending upon theseverity of the the acuity of the of the COVID and how it was settingin. It's interesting too, because when that was released it was right whenthe delta search happened, and now we have amicron that just hit the mapand hit the United States. So it's another one that will have to getsome of these doctors back to speak with us about, unfortunately, but weneed to make sure that we're staying aware and up to date on the latestof what to expect with each of these different variants. Sure, I knowyou mentioned that episode of Fourteen Tales of tell a health was one of oneof your faves. To this one really struck a chord with me. Ireally love that tell a health has just completely gone off the charts. That'sone of the positive outcomes I think about this pandemic and about Covid is thatwe've had to find other ways to get healthcare. We've made great strides innow realizing that there are large medical deserts that need to be wired for tella health. Kany Mac, who was the president of Women's Telehealth, andDr an Patterson, who is the CEO at women's tell a health, theyboth joined and I loved your interview with them. It was so fascinating tome how they talked about just what tell...

...a health looks like for some ofthese women that are in different countries and be care that they're able to receivewithout having a doctor actually physically in their presence. They talked about robotics andthey talked about all of the different, you know, machines that can promoteSonogram yeah, remote till. It was just absolutely remarkable to me and itjust really made me feel like, you know, all of these different partsof the world that maybe have been without healthcare, it's like now they mightactually have some relief and I felt that that was it kind of gave mehope a little bit too. It's we've all been under such a covid cloudthat it gave me some some optimism that there is going to be a lotof good that also comes out of this, because it's forced us to to reallyembrace some of these other technologies that have been there but just have beenunder utilized. Yeah, and I think that she even talked about like oneof the the way that they're zooming today. HMM, yeah, I think.I think for sure. and Dr Es Kiago from Nevad also talked abouthow there, you know, the they were. They were pioneer testing andpiloting the delivery of medicine in the North Carolina market by drone. And wetalked, we heard from advocate out in California and how they were doing thedoctors from home program where certain patients were being sent home to be treated byTella by visiting nurses and opening up more beds in the hospitals when they couldbe done. So yeah, I think the innovation and advancement. I've heardpeople say Tella, going back to the that episode, has been advanced tenyears faster because of Covid, the dropping of the restrictions, the showing ofwhat we could do, the validation of Medicare taking the certain things and nowprocessing it. So yeah, so in the in the darkness of covid there'sfor sure has been some some sparkling lights of things that we can look forwardto exactly exactly. I thought that that was really amazing. What was anotherone of your favorites? You know the...

...themes this year that were really good. I loved yours with John Corris. I mean I like that because itwas just leadership and it was about servant leadership and I think that he wewent away from clinical a little bit, but yet we were still in thatsetting and I just loved his listening to the his approach to what were themust haves to be a strong leader. I really enjoyed that one too.He that was actually episode twenty six. EXTENTENCE, it's titled Embracing Authentic HealthcareLeadership and that title really sums it up. He did such an incredible job oftalk, taking us through his recent PhD program and all of his studies. That really confirmed that authentic leadership and being a vulnerable leader is the wayto really lead and if you want to have a thriving team you need tobe authentic and transparent, lead with vulnerability and kindness, and he gave multipleexamples about how he does that with his team and I think that that wasreally insightful. I run a team at that's my day job. You obviouslyare our leader to and that's something that you've done for for many, manyyears, and it rings true. was there anything that he's said that surprisedyou, or did you feel like leading in that way is something that allleaders should be doing anyway, and you're just glad that he was able tospread the word? Yeah, I mean I you know, I think youknow. What he talks about strategy and vision is really resonated with me becauseI actually really think that all of these things can get executed, but they'reeasier with culture. So I think the strategy and vision is important, tobe clear, but I think culture is a pays such a key, importantthing, because you can have great vision and strategy, but if the cultureis an open to receiving it, talk to about that, I think that'sbecomes really important and I think those things...

...execute better. But he is anexpression right culture eat strategy for breakfast, and I think that. That's verytrue and I think you know, John Talks about that in a way thatis real, that his strategy and vision is embraced because he has set thetone with such a strong culture. And so when you take strategy and visionand caring for the people that I'm responsible leading and you tie that into sortof the complexities of the work that we do, that just really excites meexactly. I really appreciate it that. And he also too is running sucha large health system. One of the things that he told me that Ithought was wild is that he often opens up and says that and promises thatevery single person that is within the Tampa General Hospital umbrella, if they sendhim an email, he will read it and he will respond to it.Yeah, and he has a thousand employees right so to offer up that typeof time and vulnerability. I asked him during that one too, if hisfamily would, are his kiddos would want to go into healthcare, and hesaid absolutely not, that they see how necessary it is but also how muchwork it is, and it's because he really does just put leadership first.He is an incredible leader in Tampa General. Their community is very, very luckyto have them. Yeah, him. Yeah, and he, you know, in the fact that he was. He told a story about the mistakeshe made and loaning up to them and, you know, being beingokay and humble to say I'm sorry and and not just be that. Well, I've got to I've got to be the big, Macho leader. Andyou know, and I'm never wrong, you know, I think you becomecredible when you're real right. I think so too, and I love,though, that it was still he is a healthcare hero and he's running thishuge health system, but that leadership style translates no matter what type of leaderyou are, what industry you're leading in. So I thought that that was alsoreally interesting and how it could relate to all of us. I lookforward to hearing from him were as well...

...in the new year. Yeah,I guess. And and selfishly, as I as we kind of close out, I'll you know, I would be remissed to say that my dad's episode, our first episode, episode one when the pharmacist was your doctor. Iwould be remiss in not bringing that one up. Unfortunately, this week welost my dad and so that's been something we've been going through and we wereactually talking about having a second episode with him. So well, I'll seeif I can tap in somehow to get some words from him. But youknow, that was fun to do. He's always been my hero and youknow, he'll be missed from us in our families. But just for aguy, you know, born in one thousand nine hundred and twenty nine andspending his life in the whole pharmacy life, as he talked about that, he'sthat he was at thirty three cents an hour was a you know whatwas what he was getting paid and hearing just some of the crazy stories.But how the pharmacist back before health insurance and everything, you really went tothem first. They were the first kind of Line of defense. So it'skind of fun to have him on and obviously, as we said, we'llwe'll miss him in our family and but he'll always be memorialized on the heroesof healthcare podcast. So that was fun. We always felt that we were doinga sort of a human being service, I guess, a friendly service,and so we gave them whatever knowledge we had or even said many timesyou know this, I think you should go to a doctor. HMM,well, I don't know. This is beyond me. You know, Idon't know what you have and I think that you know instead of treating yourself. So in that sense, I guess we were directing people in the rightpath. He will certainly live on and it was when we got together foreveryone listening what we talked to, we said we wanted to do this episodeand Just Recap Two Thousand and twenty one and talk about all of our favoriteepisodes and collectively with all the production crew, everyone on who is a staff memberon here's of healthcare, everyone said...

...that Ted Wayne Senior was their favoriteepisode and it was such an incredible way to jump start this and he was. It's one of those episodes where I hope if you haven't had a chanceto listen to it, please go back and listen to it, his wordsof wisdom and how he really I mean, it was like he kind of theychanged how healthcare was done back then and it was really remarkable and Ihate that he won't be able to be with us for a second episode,but we are so thankful that he was able to really to kick off hereas the healthcare and be the inaugural guests and that legacy will always live onand we will always be so appreciative of him. Thanks. Yeah, andit's funny. Years you said earlier, we're in our podcast studio with thetwo things. We did that in my kitchen on with one with one microphonehooked to my laptop, and he kept asking me, is this going towork? So I remember. So we have come a long way in theyear. And Yeah, and he kicked us off. So so as we'restarting to wrap up, when close out, let's talk a little bit about youknow again, I think when we met as a group to get preparedfor today's show, we talked about what were some of the main themes andno surprised here. You know, healthcare heroes or people just like us andnot recognized enough. I mean that was really, I think, why westarted this shows. We realize that. I've said several, many times duringthe year that it's to me it's equivalent to military service. You know,you're putting your life on the line and you're sacrificing yourself for the care ofothers and for a cause that you know and you believe in. So wereally here believe that they, these people really are unsung heroes. And maybecovids given him a little more recognition, but they probably deserved it a longtime ago. Absolutely, so I think that's good. We touched upon mentalhealth and that's probably something we did in this episode. Talk a bunch offun, but we want to continue to focus with the show there. Youdon't see anything different between physical health and mental health. They're both serious issuesand they need to be addressed, and we had Dr Kelly Stecker on twiceand she did a great job and her...

...advocacy for medical people mental health that, you know, how do we make sure that they're getting the right mentalcare and, as we say, sometimes it's okay to say I'm not okay, and making sure that that's okay, and her advocacy around changing some ofthe licensing laws and things like that to allow for this, to allow doctorsto be not superhuman exactly, to be able to be vulnerable and still beable to practice and still be able to work through those things. And that, along with like physician burnout, I think those kind of went hand inhand and it's been sad because I've talked to numerous medical folks who are wantingto get out of the medical field all together and it's because they have justreached the maximum levels and they just feel like they can't give any more andit's just it is. It's a mental health issue and it's a physician burnoutand issue and hopefully in the new year will be able to see some ofthat lifted and they can get some relief. But it's certainly a topic that needsto continue to be top of mind and the healthcare community. Yeah,yeah, and it reminds me heather I solo, who is ahead of PA'sat Mount Sign I talked about how they were giving resiliency training, you know. So they they didn't want to day really, they didn't want to termit burn out or are you feeling mental stress, because the medical community didn'twant to admit that they had it. So they said, how do wegive you a resiliency training? And the numbers went through the roof and butI hope that can. That's those are the types of programs we need tocontinue to administer to keep the strength because, as we know, we have shortageof healthcare workers in the country to begin with. To lose now alot of them with for burnout, would be difficult and and we also heardfrom people saying that a lot of them were burnt out and when Delta camearound they felt again, I'll go back to my military analogy, was thatsecond tour. A lot of them felt that they couldn't abandon their post becausethis was surging again and they had to be there. So I think nextyear we'll be interesting. We're gonna have to continue, as as we justwent through in the country what they call...

...the big quit September, the recordnumber of people who left their jobs or the or the great resignation. They'retalling it certainly so it'll be interesting to see how the healthcare industry is impactedon that next year to Covid nineteen vaccines, leadership and continue new technology, andthat's something I hope we can focus a little bit more on next yearto is some of the new innovations, like you said earlier, about what'spositive coming out of what we're learning in infectious diseases. I know there's somegreat work coming out of Vanderbilt University and some of the other areas. Ithink hopefully we can get some of those folks on the show and just continueto talk about what what, what do we have to look forward to?Absolutely, when there are so many other great episodes to that we didn't evenget to mention this time. That apps listen to them all. Yes,look, go listen to all of them. There were so many awesome nuggets ineach one and I do hope that in the new year, especially aswe do talk about Covid, for example, I hope that we're having a differentdiscussion. We're talking about how now is the country, even though thesenew deltas are going to continue to form, that it's not. We're not seeingthat in hospitalizations. We're seeing it come and go and it's going tobe a part of our life from now on. But then, from everythingwe've learned, we are now also able to influence. Like you said,new technologies and leadership styles are going to be different and that mental health willwill begin to really be a priority and everyone will start focusing on that.Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know. I think that that's going to beinteresting to see. I mean, hopefully the covid starts to become moreof a flu, for lack of that term, something we deal with andwe treat. I don't think we will go away, but what we'll see, I'll be absolutely we're going around for the journey so talk to me abouta couple of the ones you've got coming up that'll be starting to go livein January and who can the our listeners be excited to to listen to?Well, I'm so excited about this and it kind of is breaking away fromsome of the themes that we have had this year and I think that it'sgoing to kick off the new year with something a little bit different. Oneof the first podcast of the New Year...

...that's going to be kicking off thatI'm really excited about is with Dr Arifa Cassa boy. She is the chiefmedical editor and VP of medical affairs at Everyday Health Group, and that episodeis actually going to kick off on Martin Luther King Day, and what I'mreally excited about is for all of you to learn more about everyday healthcom.But they are going to be posting on their website a black health facts page, as well as mlk related health issues, and that's all going to be discussedand talked about and as well as just everything else that she's seeing fromthe healthcare world and when people go to everyday healthcom, what those searches are, and I was shocked to learn from her that physicians actually go to thesewebsites a lot too. You think that it's people, everyday people just likeyou and I, but physicians go there too to see what other healthcare professionalsare saying about certain about certain diseases and just certain ailments. So I thoughtthat one is really interesting and I'm very excited about that. Yeah, physiciansare learners, so that's that's good. That resource, you know, andreminds me of just last week, two weeks ago, we had the PARANAMD'sanother resource now coming out for pediatrics. So lots of resources coming out onheroes, a healthcare that we hope you guys all tap into. And againon the website heroes of healthcare, to podcastcom are links to a lot ofthese sites. But we had some great information on Paranam D. M Dwas a very I'm not a parent yet, but if I were, that wouldbe a source that I'm using all the time. Yep, absolutely so. So we bring out more resource, but talk about it's great to herhaving some of these great strong women physicians coming on. I'm excited to theepisode with Dr Sandra Ford. Dr Ford just was recently appointed the White Housespecial assistant to the President for Public Health and science, so we're very privilegedto have her coming to us. I believe she's gonna be recording live fromthe White House remark and we're going to talk more about what the current administrationis doing and obviously, as we've talked...

...about, on the kron coming outand what's their new position on that. But also, I know she's goingto share with her really why she's passionate about the role that she's in,and I won't give it away, but there's been certain things that she's beentasked and chartered to begin to change in our nation's healthcare system. So Ithink that'll be a lot of fun to hear about and be also informative tohave her join us. I can't wait to hear that. It's going tobe great. I have another one too that I'm very excited we haven't recordedyet, but Dr Turog Patel, and he's right in our backyard. He'she's in the Atlanta area and that's where we're we record from. But heis the well star Asist, a VP of population help, and I'm excitedto learn a little bit more about how his team brings healthcare awareness to ruralcommunities and even in my pre talks with him it was really interesting to learnthat so many of these communities from the from us and from folks who live, you know, maybe in a metropolitan area. We have healthcare news beingpushed at US constantly, but so many of these more rural areas it's notthat they are choosing to, for example, not get vaccinated. You would beshocked at how many of them maybe don't even know where to go toget a vaccination and they still don't. It just takes a lot longer forhealthcare advocacy and awareness to get to these areas. So he's going to talkabout what his team what they're doing to help with that. Yeah, it'sgreat. Well again see cut theme we heard several times this year was peoplecoming into the facility with covid saying I want to be vaccinated, and thatdisconnect of that. The vaccine is a prevention, not a cure exactly,and so that'll be great to listen to. You know, how how do weget that message out? How do we be clear with that message?And then switching again, continue to stay focused on both kind of the thebusiness side of things as well as the...

...medical side. I had a greatprivilege of interviewing Dr Tony Reid, who's the EVP and Chief Medical Officer TempleUniversity System in Philadelphia, and it's going to be an interesting, really issuingstory because the this the facility and the system was bank basically bankrupt. Theywere financially in a very bad position and it'll be great for listeners to hearthe story about how they turn that whole thing around and through the middle ofit it this was happening. So the the financial stress came right before covidand covid happened and they were able to use covid to leverage better services anda lot of better things that you use under utilized buildings. It's really agreat story. You'll be interesting to hear not so much the medical side,but how the the financial side and the corporate business sides of hospitals. Ithink we all just think that those the hospital systems mint money, but alot of them are in financial stress and they're trying to hold on because theyserve a purpose in the community and we need them there. So we doneed them. That one will be a great one to listen to and kindof like you said, take us away from the everyday issues and just herea success story for this hospital. Right. So, in wrapping up, Ithink it's been a fun year. Thanks for joining me on this journey. I have been so excited and thank you for taking this leap. Andthis was your brain child and you were able to create this heroes of healthcarepodcast and I know that it wasn't easy to get this off the ground andnow that I'm getting to come in and kind of right on your coat tailsa little bit, I certainly appreciate it. But thank you for giving this outletto all of these healthcare heroes and for us to be able to spreadawareness about these healthcare issues and for them to have a platform to also talkabout their healthcare heroes. Yeah, yeah, I love that that. We alwaysask kind of WHO's your favorite, and it's been interesting. So manyof them are, I guess not surprising, but it's parents, right, Imean it's so, I know it was for me and I know foryou you have healthcare in your family as...

...well, and so I think it'sbeen great to hear how many people are had had those strong parental mentors intheir lives and the people who kind of we foundation, foundational for them.I would say if we put all the heroes that were shouted out in categories, parents by far are the winners here. So so let's keep you Aya forthe parents right. Yeah, without a doubt, and cheers to twothousand and twenty two. Let's bring it on. Yeah, yeah, we'reready for it. So thanks again for everybody for listening. Thank you,Olivia, for for jumping in here on on our journey together, and ourproducers and our loyal listeners and everybody who makes us possible. We just wishyou guys all the happy and healthy holiday season and best of luck for wonderfultwo thousand and twenty two. At a doubt, goodbye, bye. Thanksfor listening to heroes of healthcare. I'm REX Biverston from sweet fish media andwe're the proud producers of this show and many other top be tob podcasts.If you've got a podcast and need a hand, or you're considering adding ashow to your marketing strategy, give us a shout. Just had too sweetphish Mediacom. You've been listening to heroes of healthcare for more. Subscribe tothe show in your favorite podcast player or visit us at heroes of healthcare podcastcom.

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